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	<title>Comments on: Art &amp; Creative Commons Debate in São Paulo</title>
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		<title>By: Twitter Trackbacks for Art &#38; Creative Commons Debate in São Paulo :: net critique by Geert Lovink [networkcultures.org] on Topsy.com</title>
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		<description>[...] Art &amp; Creative Commons Debate in São Paulo :: net critique by Geert Lovink  networkcultures.org/wpmu/geert/2009/04/15/art-creative-commons-debate-in-sao-paulo &#8211; view page &#8211; cached  I am in Brazil for five days for a number of lectures. On Tuesday April 14 I did a duo presentation and debate with Creative Commons Brazil organizer Ronaldo Lemos. The evening at the theatre next to the PUC university in Sao Paolo was organized by locative media artist and PUC professor Giselle Beiguelman as part of a lecture series on net art, sponsored by &#8212; From the page [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Art &amp; Creative Commons Debate in São Paulo :: net critique by Geert Lovink  networkcultures.org/wpmu/geert/2009/04/15/art-creative-commons-debate-in-sao-paulo &ndash; view page &ndash; cached  I am in Brazil for five days for a number of lectures. On Tuesday April 14 I did a duo presentation and debate with Creative Commons Brazil organizer Ronaldo Lemos. The evening at the theatre next to the PUC university in Sao Paolo was organized by locative media artist and PUC professor Giselle Beiguelman as part of a lecture series on net art, sponsored by &mdash; From the page [...]</p>
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		<title>By: efeefe</title>
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		<description>Hi Geert

I do agree about the importante of &#039;flossing&#039; twitter. There is already a free alternative, http://laconi.ca, the system that powers http://identi.ca. 

About making money with producing content, I remember a former email discussion we had upon your interview to Época magazine (big pt_br post + comments here: http://efeefe.no-ip.org/blog/processos-criativos ), with little conclusions. I still think we shouldn&#039;t think in terms of &#039;content&#039;, objectified and tradeable &#039;pieces&#039;, but in information (and consequently money) &#039;flows&#039;.
 One of the problems I have with easy licensing schemes such as CC is that they don&#039;t change that relationship fundamentally: &#039;authors&#039; and &#039;content&#039; are still the same as they used to in the 20th century, and that perspective is just not useful anymore.
Of course, thinking in terms of flows raises a lot od new questions. For instance, objectifying things makes control easier in a sense, in that it creates interruption once you have finished making use of the &#039;content&#039;. The album is over, let&#039;s get another one. In thinking of flows, that just does not happen. And people object to change, as we have seen two weeks ago when last.fm threatened to force non-gringos to pay for subscriptions to listen to their radios.
Anyway, I agree that we haven&#039;t found definitive answers to those questions yet. Let&#039;s keep on looking for/making them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Geert</p>
<p>I do agree about the importante of &#8216;flossing&#8217; twitter. There is already a free alternative, <a href="http://laconi.ca" rel="nofollow">http://laconi.ca</a>, the system that powers <a href="http://identi.ca" rel="nofollow">http://identi.ca</a>. </p>
<p>About making money with producing content, I remember a former email discussion we had upon your interview to Época magazine (big pt_br post + comments here: <a href="http://efeefe.no-ip.org/blog/processos-criativos" rel="nofollow">http://efeefe.no-ip.org/blog/processos-criativos</a> ), with little conclusions. I still think we shouldn&#8217;t think in terms of &#8216;content&#8217;, objectified and tradeable &#8216;pieces&#8217;, but in information (and consequently money) &#8216;flows&#8217;.<br />
 One of the problems I have with easy licensing schemes such as CC is that they don&#8217;t change that relationship fundamentally: &#8216;authors&#8217; and &#8216;content&#8217; are still the same as they used to in the 20th century, and that perspective is just not useful anymore.<br />
Of course, thinking in terms of flows raises a lot od new questions. For instance, objectifying things makes control easier in a sense, in that it creates interruption once you have finished making use of the &#8216;content&#8217;. The album is over, let&#8217;s get another one. In thinking of flows, that just does not happen. And people object to change, as we have seen two weeks ago when last.fm threatened to force non-gringos to pay for subscriptions to listen to their radios.<br />
Anyway, I agree that we haven&#8217;t found definitive answers to those questions yet. Let&#8217;s keep on looking for/making them&#8230;</p>
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