Comments on: The Digital Given–10 Web 2.0 Theses by Ippolita, Geert Lovink & Ned Rossiter

By: Questioning log#3 & The Cult of Wikipedia – Topics in Digital Media - Fall 09

Wed, 21 Oct 2009 00:02:07 +0000

[...] one of the responses to Jaron Lanier’s Digital Maoism or one of the 10 theses in the recommended [...]

By: Jonah

Jonah — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 05:49:57 +0000

I just found this post. Quite an excellent set of strategies.

Some folks I know have coined #10 “facepainting” (or “myspin”) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Face%20Painting&defid=2942761

“One strategy could be to make the one (’real’) identity more complex and, where possible, contradictory. But whatever your identify might be, it will always be harvested. If you must participate in the accumulation economy for those in control of the data mines, then the least you can do is Fake Your Persona.”

I discussed this idea most recently here

http://web.mit.edu/comm-forum/mit6/subs/abstracts.html#bossewitch (and these are the slides http://jonahboss.fastmail.fm/presentations/mit6/html/mit6_beyond_panopticon.html)

cheers

By: “Any proclamation of social utopia deserves a second look…” « SAIC Free Culture

Mon, 14 Sep 2009 01:51:32 +0000

[...] situation is nicely summed up by media scholar Geert Lovink, in his recent manifesto written with Ned Rossiter. “Web 2.0” they explain, “is not for free. ‘Free as in free [...]

By: Duda

Duda — Fri, 04 Sep 2009 21:52:04 +0000

Dear Jon,

This is an institute dedicated to study the netwok culture so thats their job including the check of profiles.

What you think for example about Google.COM dictatorship ? Dont you think they check profiles ?

IBM, Microsoft, Coca Cola and all these enterprises are present in Iran, China etc and etc so thats very normal the tolls are being used, but is there any significal changes ?

By: SAIC Free Culture » Blog Archive » “Any proclamation of social utopia deserves a second look…”

Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:46:57 +0000

[...] situation is nicely summed up by media scholar Geert Lovink, in his recent manifesto written with Ned Rossiter. “Web 2.0” they explain, “is not for free. ‘Free as in free [...]

By: Jon Phillips

Jon Phillips — Tue, 07 Jul 2009 03:26:56 +0000

All the hail the words. You hit many points of annoyance with Web 2.0. However, your complicity in this movement, and obsessive checking of profiles should be noted as well. Also, the effective collapse of space between online and offline worlds bridging physical social networks with virutal ones, extends some of the concepts you’ve laid out as we have seen with the Iranian Election and Green Day on July 1 to boycott the Internet in China.

By: capi /. etheriel

capi /. etheriel — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:44:19 +0000

rooted beneath the pleasure of hacking the networks, there must be a reason for such an effort – otherwise we’re better off leaving the system at once. the reason is both revolt and joy, i daresay.
the fluid design of the digital became the playground for both joy and revolt. the modem, the web, the podcasting, those attempts of designig the world in both standard and particular protocols responded to souls longing for them. the industrial age gave us a world design for one to suffer instead of engaging. DIY and hack-labs are the tip of the horn: desire loves shaping, giving forms to the matter of the world. so far, industrialism insists on commodifying market successes out of innovation, as if they were meant for mass consumption.
they were made out of joy and revolt. they were made at playgrounds, not facilities. it is not cognitive capitalism we see taking its own shape, but ludic capitalism. yet playfulness can’t be bound to the market, nor can doubt itself. they’re a horse way too wild for capitalism to ride. or so i hope.

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links for 2009-06-18 - website of caleb waldorf... — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:34:12 +0000

[...] The Digital Given–10 Web 2.0 Theses by Ippolita, Geert Lovink "The internet turns out to be neither the problem nor the solution for the global recession. As an indifferent bystander it doesn’t lend itself easily as a revolutionary tool. The virtual has become the everyday. The New Deal is presented as green, not digital. The digital is a given. This low-key position presents an opportunity to rethink the Web 2.0 hype. How might we understand our political, emotional and social involvement in internet culture over the next few years?" (tags: politics web2.0 internet theory economics activism socialnetworking) [...]

By: Suggested reading: online friends and intimacies : home cooked theory

Suggested reading: online friends and intimacies : home cooked theory — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:39:29 +0000

[...] for my course outline, a fantastic manifesto addressing the limits of online social networking on Geert Lovink’s blog. A taste: Social networks register a ‘refusal of work’. But our net-time, after all, is another [...]

By: MC

MC — Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:04:00 +0000

BRAVO comrades! So many rallying ideas here – thanks for the provocations, once more. xM